Joannes Baptista

…h.5 doc agricola — farmer Giovanni Defranceschi 1750 – 1829 Gologorica → Gračišće lore wall candidate A candidate, not a proof A Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica house 31 on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the same name and the same day as generation two. If it holds, the family chart's «Giovanni» is a Giovanni Battista and a Leonardus…

…1750 – 1829 Gologorica → Gračišće lore wall candidate A candidate, not a proof A Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica house 31 on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the same name and the same day as generation two. If it holds, the family chart's «Giovanni» is a Giovanni Battista and a Leonardus stands behind him. Set out with its objections on the Gologorica line. wall…

…his descendant cut ANNO· DOMNI· 1711 over the door. Gračišće — Gallignana — the next parish east, where the same stock is in the baptism book by 1679 and where the direct line of this archive is still holding houses 5 and 19 into the nineteenth century: Joannes Baptista the farmer born 1787, Antonius the «lapidarius» born 1825, Josephus born 1863. And Svetvinčenat, over the border in Venetian Istria — a different state, a different landlord, a different set of parish books — with a household of the name established by 1734…

…Francesco Gortan… A Gallignana le seguenti famiglie; Gortan, De Franceschi, Festa, Picot, Baldè; mentre a Pedena i Rovis e i Comisso.» De Franceschi at Gallignana, counted as Carnian, in 1820 — which is the village of houses 5 and 19 and the year the farmer Joannes Baptista of house 5 was thirty-three. Tombs in the church at Svetvinčenat «Durante il XVIII secolo due Lupieri, Matteo e GioBatta, erano stati sepolti nella chiesa matrice di questo borgo istriano. Nello stesso luogo si trovano le…

…marriage that would settle everything is not in them Fiume marriages, film 005497925 images 168–191, both pages Twenty-four frames, November 1736 to February 1748, and exactly one Defranceschi marriage in all of it — Valentino's. Joannes Baptista and Magdalena are nowhere. Their son was born 24 May 1748, so a Fiume wedding would have fallen inside the swept window. They married elsewhere, as their son Giuseppe would in his turn. The nil is the finding, because it names the next book.…

…four children between 1772 and 1778 and whose line runs on through twenty-one grandchildren at Rijeka. Five things agree: forename, surname, town, an age of twenty-four at his first child's baptism, and the fact that this archive had already found «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, widower» remarrying on 9 December 1771 — the status of a man whose wife Magdalena had died. The MyHeritage tree's unsourced b. 1748, d. 1778 now has a document behind the birth year. So work-list 142 is answered, and answered…

…matched places against a short extracted string — and returned one Bakar entry. Run properly, with deep paging and whole-record matching, the Bakar country gives EIGHT, and they form one household across three generations: Franciscus Defranceschi; his son Joannes Baptista, who married Catharina Akacich; their children Maria Dorothea baptised 1773 and Antonia 1776; a Nodburga married there 1794; deaths in 1775, 1785, 1818 and 1819, the last of a Catharina born 1734 and dead at eighty-five. The family's own memory of Bakar was…

…Registers 1739–1808, film 005494714, item 1, image 172 of 226, page 161. Index 1:1:6Z2F-LSSQ; image 3:1:3QSQ-G99X-RX3F.) He is not a Bakar Defranceschi. The scribe wrote his village into the entry: «ex Gollogorizza». He is the Joannes Baptista of Gologorica house 36, and the bride is Catharina, whose marriage this archive has been looking for since 30 September. ⚠ How the error was made,…

…families page summarised the evidence for the Carnian family as: «A De Franceschi of Mione on the 1679 headmen's list … and an unbroken register descent at Gračišće from 1787.» There is no register entry at Gračišće in 1787. Joannes Baptista's birth of 13 August 1787 comes from the Status Animarum of house 5 — a compilation — and his baptism is not in the Gračišće baptism book, which has now been read: the August 1787 entries are 30 July (Fernasar), one…

…Profumi»). All three read P-r-o-f-u-m-, with the tall f and the -um- tail. None of them has a B. Corrected in four files — the baptism of Antonia di Jacobo Defranceschi (1747), Faustino di Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, the households file and the searched file — and with it the name of a man who is not a Defranceschi at all, but who stands at this family's fonts across at least five years and whose…

…page could settle it. 1 Oct 2026 serious The wife of casa 36 was not Mariana. Three children and two godmother entries name CATHARINA née JABLICH The Gologorica line — the household of Joannes Baptista at casa 36 Six children were filed under «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi × Mariana», and each carried the note «Daughter/Son of Joannes Baptista (casa 36) and Mariana». The baptism register names the mother three times,…

…wife of casa 36 was not Mariana. Three children and two godmother entries name CATHARINA née JABLICH The Gologorica line — the household of Joannes Baptista at casa 36 Six children were filed under «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi × Mariana», and each carried the note «Daughter/Son of Joannes Baptista (casa 36) and Mariana». The baptism register names the mother three times, and she is not Mariana.· child· baptised· mother as…

…CATHARINA née JABLICH The Gologorica line — the household of Joannes Baptista at casa 36 Six children were filed under «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi × Mariana», and each carried the note «Daughter/Son of Joannes Baptista (casa 36) and Mariana». The baptism register names the mother three times, and she is not Mariana.· child· baptised· mother as written· Josephus Antonius· 6 January 1785· «Catharina nata Jablich … Bucari»·…

…entry, with the note that moving the rest on the strength of a sibling would be the same error in the other direction. Three entries later it is the household, not the child. (doc.) 1 Oct 2026 moderate The two Joannes Baptista households are now told apart by their wives, not by a byname The Gologorica line «Two Defranceschi households sit in the 1780s baptism register, both headed by a Joannes Baptista, both with a wife called…

…The two Joannes Baptista households are now told apart by their wives, not by a byname The Gologorica line «Two Defranceschi households sit in the 1780s baptism register, both headed by a Joannes Baptista, both with a wife called Mariana, living in different houses — casa 31, carrying the byname «detti Leonardi», and casa 36, recorded as son of the late Josephus.» Neither wife was called Mariana. Read in order, the baptism book…

…31, carrying the byname «detti Leonardi», and casa 36, recorded as son of the late Josephus.» Neither wife was called Mariana. Read in order, the baptism book separates the two houses cleanly by the mother's maiden name: casa 31 — Joannes Baptista × THERESIA née GRACH (Franciscus Antonius, 13 April 1785; Joannes Baptista, 13 August 1787) casa 36 — Joannes Baptista × CATHARINA née JABLICH of Buccari (Josephus Antonius, 6 January 1785; Catharina, 5 March 1786; Maria Rosalia, 20 July 1789)…

…late Josephus.» Neither wife was called Mariana. Read in order, the baptism book separates the two houses cleanly by the mother's maiden name: casa 31 — Joannes Baptista × THERESIA née GRACH (Franciscus Antonius, 13 April 1785; Joannes Baptista, 13 August 1787) casa 36 — Joannes Baptista × CATHARINA née JABLICH of Buccari (Josephus Antonius, 6 January 1785; Catharina, 5 March 1786; Maria Rosalia, 20 July 1789) That is a better discriminator than a byname, because it is written in…

…Mariana. Read in order, the baptism book separates the two houses cleanly by the mother's maiden name: casa 31 — Joannes Baptista × THERESIA née GRACH (Franciscus Antonius, 13 April 1785; Joannes Baptista, 13 August 1787) casa 36 — Joannes Baptista × CATHARINA née JABLICH of Buccari (Josephus Antonius, 6 January 1785; Catharina, 5 March 1786; Maria Rosalia, 20 July 1789) That is a better discriminator than a byname, because it is written in the register on every child rather than inferred.…

…register page. What is no longer in doubt is the place: the Klenovica register of 1890 records Gallignana as this family's zavičaj, its inherited commune, four generations downstream. There is now a candidate for him too, and he is not simply Giovanni: the Joannes Baptista Defranceschi who headed casa 31 at Gologorica, husband of Theresia née Grach, whose son of the same name was baptised on 13 August 1787. If that identification holds, the family chart's Giovanni is a Giovanni Battista, and behind him stands the Leonardus…

…Status Animarum of the parish of Gallignana, house 5. Name, condition, birth, marriage and death in the ruled columns; wife and four sons beneath him. And a candidate for his baptism has now been read off the Gologorica film: a Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica, house 31, on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the same name and the same day. It is an inference, not a proof, and it is set out with its objections on the Gologorica line.…

…been opened here. One accepted record sits at Pisino on no lane at all Moncalvo 1661 The surname enters the Moncalvo di Pisino baptism book Gologorica 1711 ANNO· DOMNI· 1711 cut over the door of the house Gračišće 1787 Joannes Baptista, farmer of house 5 — the line's earliest dated ancestor Poreč 1800s Named in this line's own route description for a year before it was ever drawn on it: ten register entries, eight of them accepted, and twenty-one more people on the roster.…

…«Catharinam Sablich» — this page read that from the index as «either the same man remarried, or a brother». He is neither. The register was opened on 9 October 2026 and the groom is «ex GOLLOGORIZZA» — the Joannes Baptista of Gologorica house 36, marrying the Catharina whose wedding that archive had been hunting, on 10 November 1783, in the house of her father D.…

…D. Sebastianus Sablich. Corrected; and a method row, because the index carries the two names and not the place that would have told you the record was foreign to Bakar. This household therefore has ONE marriage of a Joannes Baptista, the Akačić one, and not two. ⭐ And the Bakar register holds a marriage that belongs to the Istrian line 10 November 1783 — «pro domo D. Sebastiani Sablich, Nuptiis in facie Ecclesiæ contractis inter D.ⁿᵘᵐ…

…woman heading her own entry, and the only one of that name in the set. The children baptised at Bakar «Mariam Dorothæam Defranceschi», baptised 6 February 1773, and «Antoniam Defranceschi», baptised 8 January 1776 — both daughters of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi and Catharina. And Nodburga now has a husband This archive has carried «the marriage of Nodburga Defranceschi at Bakar on 27 February 1794» from its own scans for months, with no groom attached. The index…

…entries of November 1772 and the head of 1773. The archival label taped to it reads FADED DOCUMENT / IZBLIJEĐENI DOKUMENT. Read enlarged; uncertain letters are bracketed above. Bakar· reconstructed from the parish indexes Joannes Baptista Defranceschi styled «Dominus» — son of Dominus Francesco Married before 1772, to Catharina Akačić, by dispensation Children baptised Bakar, 1773 and 1776 Line Not attached to any of the five…

…house at Gologorica; and the descent at Gračišće, which rests on the parish's Status Animarum and on registers after 1808 rather than on a baptism of 1787. ⚠ Corrected 8 October 2026: this read «an unbroken register descent at Gračišće from 1787». Joannes Baptista's birth of 13 August 1787 is recorded on the Status Animarum of house 5 and is not in the Gračišće baptism register, which has now been swept: in 1746–1808 the surname never appears as a father there at all, and its six appearances are all as…

…Istria — the County of Pazin Gologorica (Moncalvo) Carnia doc The surname enters the baptism book in 1661; ANNO· DOMNI· 1711 is cut over the door; the benefice held on lease 1772–1848. Gračišće (Gallignana) Carnia doc Joannes Baptista, farmer of house 5, 1787 — the line's earliest dated ancestor. The Eleven are baptised here. Pazin (Pisino) Carnia doc The county itself, and the town Kobler's Giovanni Battista came from about 1740 — Carlo's own great-uncle's branch.…

…he is standing at the font for a De Franceschi baby. Whatever this family was in Fiume in 1628, it was not obscure. 9 September 1632· folio 143 — and this one was baptised by a bishop Die 9 7bris — Ill.mus et R.mus D.nus Joannes Baptista Agatich, Episcopus Segniensis et Administrator Modrusiensis, S.S.C.M. Consiliarius, Baptizavit Joannis Anthonij de Franceschi filiam nomine Mariam, natam ex eius matre legitima nomine Lucia, quae supradicta Maria fuit prius Catechizata a me,…

…second Fiume household: Joannes Baptista and Magdalena For twenty years this archive read Fiume as one Defranceschi house — Valentino the Carnian's. On 20 September 2026 a frame-by-frame sweep of the baptism film turned up another, baptising in the same church in the same…

…are film 005497925, burials film 005497941. All sixteen children cite the image they stand on; eleven carry a FamilySearch index entry, and the five that appear in no index — Ignatius Francus Mattheus 1745, Francisca Matthæa 1747, Vitus Joannes Baptista 1751, Aloysius Rochus 1754, Rosalia Francisca 1755 — were found on the pages themselves. Four of them were recovered by interpolating between dated frames, all four exactly where the 6 September reading said they were. Francisca Matthæa was…

…names the archpriest this archive published four hours ago, and explains a frame that looks like film debris twofathers1769 ⭐⭐⭐ One opening, three months apart: «filius Leonardi» and «filius D.ni Josephi» — the parish tells the two Joannes Baptistas apart by their FATHERS, seventeen years before it does it by their wives petrus1768 ⭐⭐⭐ A row that was a census line and a tree year gets its baptism, its parents and a second forename — and an archpriest came over from Cerovlje to…

…BET 1782 AND 1790 deathYear Earliest known Defranceschi ancestor in this line. Very likely the same man as the Dominus Josephus Defranceschi whose wife,, @I2@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M Dominus ABT OCT 1752 birthYear 23 JAN 1813 deathYear Gologorica, Pazin, Istria Head of casa 36 / House 17 - the titled (Dominus) genteel Defranceschi…

…father, my great-great-grandfather, also a Giambattista, son of the late Leonardo, had two sons: Giampietro and Giambattista. Three generations named. And «Giambattista del fu Leonardo» is exactly the phrase the Gologorica register uses in 1769 — «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi filius Leonardi» — the entry that gives the casa-31 branch its byname «detti Leonardi». Anche i miei derivano dalla Carnia, ma si stabilirono in Istria intorno al 1700. Mine too derive from Carnia, but they settled in Istria…

…Births 1804–1852 Marriages 1787–1859 Deaths 1784–1815, 1823–1824, 1815–1823 Births 1852–1874 Births 1875–1900 Deaths 1823–1859 Deaths 1859–1888 Deaths 1888–1899 The deepest run on this coast — baptisms from 1650. A Joannes Baptista De Franceski died at Crikvenica on 30 March 1801, a century before Josip came down from Istria, and if the name was already on the Vinodol then, these are the books that would show it. Births (Rođeni) 1650-1784 Marriages (Vjenčani)…

…y Andrina Defranceschi Guilielmus Lazzer 6YBR-GGRH Maria Lazor y Andriene Defranceschi Gulielmus Defranceschi 6B47-RM33 Ližnjan n films Joannes Baptista y Catharina Defranceschi Josephus Jelčić XQM3-RC1C Maria y Lucia Defranceschi Joannes Sandalj XQM3-B2DR Maria y Maria Defranceschi Josephus…

…Vellico lead X9DP-3C7M Benedetta Bergamo Surname not indexed F y b. 29 Jul 1842 Francesca Defranceschi Giovanni Bergamo lead 6YBR-QLHN Joannes Baptista Antonius Di Franceschi Franceschi y b. 1842 Joannes Di Franceschi Pascha Cecco Lucia Dobriila Joseph Dobriila lead X7K1-Q8ZK Maria Franceschi…

…name as a principal would ever have found them:· frame· year· the entry· 33· 1872· Mathæus Ruman, Josephi et Mariæ Defranceschi· 35· 1873· a child of Antonii et Magdalenæ Defranceschi — Našković· 35· 1873· Joannes Baptista, Josephi et Catharinæ Defranceschi — Jelčić· 41· ~1879· Gregorius Sandalj, Joannis et Luciæ· 42· 1880· Magdalena Ruman, Josephi et Mariæ Defranceschi· 46· 1883· Josephus Ruman, Josephi et Mariæ Defranceschi·…

…day itself. Buccari — Bakar, on the Kvarner gulf hungarian-littoral ours «Cath. ejus uxor nata Jablich ex Buccari» — Catharina, his wife, born Jablich, out of Buccari. She is the wife of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, and the two of them stand godparents together at Gologorica on 3 October 1786, both entered as Cives Gollogoricenses. This archive had no Catharina as the wife of any Joannes Baptista — only two daughters of that name —…

…and February 1833, purely from how his sons are written. --- ⚠ 11 October 2026 — and the limit of that rule, found at Gologorica. The patronymic separates men of one surname. It does not separate men of two. Gologorica held a «Joannes Baptista DEFRANCESCHI q.ᵐ Leonardi» and a «Joannes Baptista DEPRATO, Leonardi filius» at the same time, both godparents in one book. Where the surname is lost, the patronymic names both and distinguishes neither —…

…Vicolo Santa Maria 45.88468, 11.04466, on Osoppo 46.25578, 13.08275, on Croatia, Church Books, 1516-1994, FamilySearch ( : Fri Jul 19 18:24:38 UTC 2024), Entry for Joannes Baptista Antonius Di Franceschi and Joannes Di Franceschi, 14 Apr 1884. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6YBR-QLHN www.familysearch.org Labin 45.09159, 14.12381, on Croatia, Church Books,…

…the Gračišće house-5 head the boy baptised at Gologorica casa 31? open The Gallignana Status Animarum gives the head of house 5 as Joan. Bapt. Defranceschi, agricola, born 13 August 1787. The Gologorica baptism book, folio 6, has a Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at house 31 on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the casa-31 «detti Leonardi» branch. Same name, same day, two parishes eight kilometres apart. Against it: one record is a birth and the other a baptism;…

…house 5 The farmer of house five Here the line stops being testimony and becomes record. The Status Animarum of Gallignana — the parish's book of souls, bought from the Pazin archive in 2021 — rules a household across a page: Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, agricola, born 13 August 1787, married in 1819, dead on 1 September 1846. His wife Francisca Salomon, born 17 March 1797. Four sons, and the second of them is Antonius. Joan. Bapt. Defranceschi, agricola — n. 13 Aug. 1787, m. 1819,…

…1711 house, whole, then the lintel Carlo's memorial, whole, then the inscription n Gračišće — house 5, house 19, and a baptism Gologorica → Gračišće· 11 km· a full day Three generations in two houses. Joannes Baptista the farmer of house 5 in 1787; his son Antonius the lapicida — stonecutter — at house 19 in 1825; and on 22 March 1863, entry 23, the baptism of Josephus. 4a Gallignana — houses 5 and 19…

…64, «MERCATOR», house 36 done this session 2026-10-11 Liber Baptizatorum II hands the archive a contradiction it cannot shrug off.· 18 Dec 1769· «Joannes Baptista filius D.ⁿⁱ Josephi Defranceschi, et Helena uxor ejusdem D.ⁿⁱ Josephi»· 30 Mar 1782· «Joannes Baptista filius Josephi de Franceschi et Margarita ejusdem filia»· 22 Apr 1783· obit calendar: «Margarita figlia q. Sig.ʳ…