Valentino Defranceschi — 2 people of the name

…showing the movement from Carnia into Istria at all. That is no longer. Giovanni Kobler, going through the civic records of Fiume in the 1870s, wrote out for Carlo De Franceschi the Defranceschi households of that city — and his second entry reads: «Valentino Defranceschi, venuto dalla Carnia, fu fatto Cittadino nel 1739.» Come from Carnia; made a citizen in 1739. With his wife Elena he had ten sons and four daughters, a house in the Capuchins' quarter and a vineyard at Plase; in 1764 he built the Chapel of St Helen; he made…

…— 2 protocolli istrumenti e testamenti 1800–1805». Every contract and will drawn at Mione between 1737 and 1783 passed through the hands of a Giovanni Battista Franceschi and is in one box in Udine. That period covers exactly the years in which a Valentino Defranceschi «venuto dalla Carnia» was made a citizen of Fiume — 1739 — and the generations Carlo says came over. It is the most specific unopened door this archive has on the Carnian side, and it needs a letter, not a search box. Giorgio…

…is how it became a country apart. A real defect underneath, now fixed. Four life rows had a page section slug in the place field — early-fiume, carnia-fiume, pazin-fiume — so their dossiers read «Place: early-fiume». They are Valentino Defranceschi, Domenico de Franceschi, Giovanni Battista Defranceschi and Zuane De Franceschi, and they do not all resolve the same way: the first three belong at Rijeka, but Zuane is of Mione in Carnia and only appears in the Fiume page's…

…at Rijeka under a Venetian-Latin hand — Gioannis Antonÿ, with the trema the scribe put there. This one has been read on the page. rung ours /fiume-1626/ The 1626 baptisms, read → 1742–1757 Valentino Defranceschi Elena Defranceschi Rijeka n buried 1742 Mattio Defranceschi d. 11 Jul 1742 1742 Nicolo Defranceschi d. 1742 1753 Antonio De…

…a century apart, nothing here can say. ours href cta 1772–1775 Giuseppe Defranceschi Francesca Defranceschi Rijeka n buried 1772 Valentino Defranceschi d. 22 Aug 1775 1772 Valentinus Franciscus Xaverius Defranceschi 1774 Hellena Margaritha Maria Defranceschi 1775 Ellena Defranceschi d. 2 Mar…

…or the family tree». For ninety-two of them that was, and the evidence was in this repository the whole time. Nine of Valentino's children. On 6 September the Liber Baptizatorum of Fiume was read and the fourteen children of Valentino Defranceschi were written to site/src/data/valentino.json. No build script and no page ever read that file — for eleven days. Five of the children had pages estimating a birth «about 1749» over the top of an exact baptism date sitting on disk; four had no page…

…Sept 2026 modest Valentino had fifteen children, not fourteen — and the fifteenth makes the family's count of ten sons come out exactly /valentino/ This archive has carried fourteen children of Valentino Defranceschi and Helena/Elena since 6 September 2026, and set that against «a family account of ten sons and four» — noting that the register gave only nine sons, one short. There are fifteen, and the missing son is Jacobus Vincentius. Under «Die…

…had been read /households/ The Rijeka household Giuseppe Defranceschi × Francesca was published with four children, 1772–1775, built «from index entries only — this archive has not seen the page», and listed both «Valentino Defranceschi, b. 1772, bur. 22 Aug 1775» and «Valentinus Franciscus Xaverius Defranceschi, b. 22 Nov 1772» as separate children. Five children, not four, and one of the four was the same boy twice. All of this household's baptisms were read on…

…Rijeka· a household a hundred and thirteen years too early Giovanni Kobler went through the civic records of Fiume in the 1870s and wrote out for Carlo De Franceschi every household of this surname he could find. His earliest is «Valentino Defranceschi, venuto dalla Carnia, fu fatto Cittadino nel 1739» — come from Carnia, made a citizen in 1739. The parish register of Fiume has a De Franceschi household baptising children in the city in 1626. This was not found by looking for it. It came out…

…sixteen children of Valentino Defranceschi and Helena/Elena, read out of the Liber Baptizatorum and the burial register of Fiume on 6 September 2026, re-checked against the FamilySearch index on 20 September and then read back on the film, page by page, the same day. Every child cites the…

…seen Bálint seen Valentine seen Valentio seen Valentino Defranceschi of Fiume, as father — FamilySearch X9D5-3CK4, the 1757 entry for his daughter Maria forms orsola Ursulæ seen Ursulae seen…

…buried at Svetvinčenat 24 April 1815 FamilySearch 6B47-9H9Q, read from the burial register Vitorio, with the r read as n. This table used to call it an Italian form of the name. Valentio valentino Valentino Defranceschi of Fiume, as father FamilySearch X9D5-3CK4, the 1757 entry for his daughter Maria A dropped n. The same man is Valentini, Valentinus and Valentino on his other children's entries. Antonÿ antonio…

…archive has held the Carnia claim at arm's length because it rested on one document — the headmen's list of 1679 — and on Carlo's private testimony about his own family. There are now three independent things: the 1679 list; Kobler's record that Valentino Defranceschi came from Carnia and was made a citizen of Fiume in 1739; and a modern Croatian historian describing the Gologorica family flatly as Friulian-Carnian, settled in the seventeenth century. None of them joins this line to that one. But the road itself is no…

…in the seventeenth century, in a parish whose lord is a bishop too poor to live in his own diocese, among tenants who could be seized and sold for sixty florins of unpaid tax, in a church that had been singing in Glagolitic within living memory. By 1739 a Valentino Defranceschi come from Carnia was made a citizen of Fiume; by 1819 the family was marrying Salomons at Gračišće; by 1848 one of them sat in the parliament at Vienna. That is the distance travelled, and this is the floor it started from. Ivan Grah,…

…burial register register Maria Defranceschi y parish burial register register Antonia Defranceschi y parish burial register register Valentino Defranceschi y parish burial register register Ellena Defranceschi y parish burial register register Giosefa Defranceschi y parish burial register…

…«È forse Lei un Discendente?» — Are you perhaps a descendant? Carlo's reply is the letter this archive has built half its Carnia argument on. And Kobler's second entry is a document, not a tradition «Valentino Defranceschi, venuto dalla Carnia, fu fatto Cittadino nel 1739, e colla moglie Elena ebbe 10 figli e 4 figlie, aveva casa in contrada dei Capuccini e vigna in Plase, fabbricò nel 1764 la Capella di S. Elena, fece per se tomba nel Duomo con epigrafe nel 1785 e morì nel…

…Carnia, fu fatto Cittadino nel 1739, e colla moglie Elena ebbe 10 figli e 4 figlie, aveva casa in contrada dei Capuccini e vigna in Plase, fabbricò nel 1764 la Capella di S. Elena, fece per se tomba nel Duomo con epigrafe nel 1785 e morì nel 1785.» Valentino Defranceschi, come from Carnia, was made a Citizen in 1739; by his wife Elena he had ten sons and four daughters; he had a house in the Capuchins' quarter and a vineyard at Plase; in 1764 he built the Chapel of St Helen; in 1785 he made himself a tomb in the Duomo with…

…and Don Ramiro's letter from Pisino tells you what it was like to stand next to him on a Saturday morning. Valentino's chapel, and the words over its door This archive has been carrying Kobler's one-sentence summary of Valentino Defranceschi for months — came from Carnia, made a citizen in 1739, built the chapel of St Helen in 1764, made himself a tomb, died in 1785 — and noting that the chapel and the tomb were things that could still be looked for. Kobler's «Memorie per la storia della città…

…is four times as long, and it gives the inscription. 25. La Cappella di S. Elena. — Esiste presso il confine occidentale, poco più in là di S. Giovanni. Sulla porta d'ingresso si legge incisa l'epigrafe: «Sacellum B. Mariæ Virgini erectum a D. Valentino Defranceschi a. 1764». Quel Defranceschi era venuto a Fiume dalla Carnia circa l'anno 1730, aveva una moglie di nome Elena, e possedeva una casa in Fiume e una vigna in Plasse. Morì nel 1785, e fu sepolto nel Duomo. 25. The Chapel of St Helen. — It stands near…

…in Plasse. Morì nel 1785, e fu sepolto nel Duomo. 25. The Chapel of St Helen. — It stands near the western boundary, a little beyond San Giovanni. Over the entrance door is cut the inscription: «A chapel raised to the Blessed Virgin Mary by Signor Valentino Defranceschi in the year 1764». That Defranceschi had come to Fiume from Carnia about the year 1730; he had a wife named Elena, and owned a house in Fiume and a vineyard at Plase. He died in 1785 and was buried in the Duomo. The name is cut in stone,…

…year 1730; he had a wife named Elena, and owned a house in Fiume and a vineyard at Plase. He died in 1785 and was buried in the Duomo. The name is cut in stone, and Kobler read it there «Sacellum B. Mariæ Virgini erectum a D. Valentino Defranceschi a. 1764.» Not a register entry, not a tradition, not a citation — a lintel. And the D. is Dominus, the same title the Gologorica registers give a Josephus Defranceschi in the same decades and the same title the Rovigno scholarship says a Carnian earned in…

…the burials that still had their slabs: after the chapter's own vault and the tomb of Bishop Giovanni Antonio de Benzoni, the family tombs of the Stemberg, Velens, Saurich, Troyer, Lumaga and the rest, and then the individual stones — «Giorgio Marchesetti, Valentino Defranceschi, Francesco Calucci…». He adds that almost all of them are eighteenth-century, because the great restoration of 1716–1726 took up the slabs of the extinct families. Valentino's was still in the floor when Kobler walked over it. Two things to ask…

…A house in the Capuchins' quarter, and «vigna con casa in Plasse sul confine di Castua» — a vineyard with a house at Plase on the Kastav boundary. There, Kobler says here, he had the chapel of St Helena built in 1761, its front carrying «Sacellum a D. Valentino Defranceschi erectum a. 1764». The tomb, word for word He died aged eighty-five and was buried in the collegiate church by the altar of the Madonna del Carmine, under a stone reading «Cineres D. Valentini De Franceschi, qui vivens sibi ac posteris suis…

…Kobler, all of them small and all of them Kobler's own. He gives the chapel as built in 1761 in the family article and dated 1764 by its inscription, and he transcribes the inscription twice with different wording — «Sacellum B. Mariæ Virgini erectum a D. Valentino Defranceschi a. 1764» in the chapter on the chapels, and «Sacellum a D. Valentino Defranceschi erectum a. 1764» in the family article. And Ignazio's wife is «Giuseppa Donegalli» here, where this archive had «Giuseppa Danezello» from the earlier reading. The stone, if it…

…in 1761 in the family article and dated 1764 by its inscription, and he transcribes the inscription twice with different wording — «Sacellum B. Mariæ Virgini erectum a D. Valentino Defranceschi a. 1764» in the chapter on the chapels, and «Sacellum a D. Valentino Defranceschi erectum a. 1764» in the family article. And Ignazio's wife is «Giuseppa Donegalli» here, where this archive had «Giuseppa Danezello» from the earlier reading. The stone, if it survives, settles the first two; the marriage register at Rijeka settles the…

…the phrase, or full-text ORs your words and buries you. Defranceschi Valentino Fiume returns 1,079,220 documents and the top hits are Fiume Veneto, in Friuli — a different town in a different country, matched on one word. The same query as Valentino Defranceschi returns 4. A result count in the millions is not a rich seam; it is a broken query. Coverage dossiers-are-additive Renaming a person leaves their old page standing, because the dossier builder only ever adds.…

…his own son Carlo. He had died in Venice in 1953, an exile from the province he spent his life documenting. Storia documentata della Contea di Pisino Venice, published posthumously 1964 valentino-defranceschi Valentino Defranceschi born died mione carnia-fiume Citizen of Fiume Landowner documented Came from Carnia and was made a citizen of Fiume in 1739 — the same year he baptised a son there.…

…held the seat at Mione for forty-six years, and everything drawn there in that time went through his hands. Two boxes on, B. 2985, Soravito Franceschi Antonio, 1800–1805. Write to the Archivio di Stato di Udine. Those are the years in which a Valentino Defranceschi «venuto dalla Carnia» was made a citizen of Fiume — 1739 — and the generations Carlo says came over. It is the most specific unopened door on the Carnian side and it needs a letter, not a search box. Is the shield still on the house at…

…Krk, Küstenland, Austria, lead X9D5-S4D9 Mattio Defranceschi Defranceschi M y d. 11 Jul 1742· of Fiume, Modrus-Fiume, Ungheria Fiume, Modrus-Fiume, Ungheria Valentino Defranceschi Elena Defranceschi in Rijeka X9DP-GGFB Nicolo Defranceschi Defranceschi M y d. 1742· of Fiume, Modrus-Fiume, Ungheria Fiume, Modrus-Fiume, Ungheria Valentino…

…year De Franceschi house built on the Gologorica square year Zuane Ivan Franceschi shelters 600 Imotski refugees year Imotski taken; the Perinuša estate granted year Valentino Defranceschi, from Carnia, made a citizen of Fiume year Giovanni Battista Defranceschi arrives from the County of Pazin year First Gračišće status animarum year Joseph II dissolves the Pauline order at…

…and it is answerable: their marriage entries are on this same reel, in volume 1's marriages of 1734–1753, and a marriage entry names a father and usually a birthplace. That is item 143. n How are Joannes Baptista and Valentino Defranceschi of Fiume related? running this archive 2026-09-20, Two Defranceschi households baptised at Fiume in the 1740s, and nothing yet connects them. Valentino × Helena — «venuto dalla…