Joannes Baptista Defranceschi (bapt. 1787)

…h.5 doc agricola — farmer Giovanni Defranceschi 1750 – 1829 Gologorica → Gračišće lore wall candidate A candidate, not a proof A Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica house 31 on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the same name and the same day as generation two. If it holds, the family chart's «Giovanni» is a Giovanni Battista and a Leonardus stands behind…

…four children between 1772 and 1778 and whose line runs on through twenty-one grandchildren at Rijeka. Five things agree: forename, surname, town, an age of twenty-four at his first child's baptism, and the fact that this archive had already found «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, widower» remarrying on 9 December 1771 — the status of a man whose wife Magdalena had died. The MyHeritage tree's unsourced b. 1748, d. 1778 now has a document behind the birth year. So work-list 142 is answered, and answered no.…

…Profumi»). All three read P-r-o-f-u-m-, with the tall f and the -um- tail. None of them has a B. Corrected in four files — the baptism of Antonia di Jacobo Defranceschi (1747), Faustino di Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, the households file and the searched file — and with it the name of a man who is not a Defranceschi at all, but who stands at this family's fonts across at least five years and whose son does the…

…wife of casa 36 was not Mariana. Three children and two godmother entries name CATHARINA née JABLICH The Gologorica line — the household of Joannes Baptista at casa 36 Six children were filed under «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi × Mariana», and each carried the note «Daughter/Son of Joannes Baptista (casa 36) and Mariana». The baptism register names the mother three times, and she is not Mariana.· child· baptised· mother as written·…

…register page. What is no longer in doubt is the place: the Klenovica register of 1890 records Gallignana as this family's zavičaj, its inherited commune, four generations downstream. There is now a candidate for him too, and he is not simply Giovanni: the Joannes Baptista Defranceschi who headed casa 31 at Gologorica, husband of Theresia née Grach, whose son of the same name was baptised on 13 August 1787. If that identification holds, the family chart's Giovanni is a Giovanni Battista, and behind him stands the Leonardus who gives the…

…Status Animarum of the parish of Gallignana, house 5. Name, condition, birth, marriage and death in the ruled columns; wife and four sons beneath him. And a candidate for his baptism has now been read off the Gologorica film: a Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica, house 31, on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the same name and the same day. It is an inference, not a proof, and it is set out with its objections on the Gologorica line.…

…the Salamon palace is built. Huić places its masonry in the fifteenth century; the Istrian Encyclopedia dates the building to 1570. Which matters, because generation two married one The Status Animarum of Gallignana gives Joannes Baptista Defranceschi of house 5 married in 1819 to Francisca Salomon, born 17 March 1797. This archive has never had anything on her but a name. She was of a family with a palace on the square, facing the bishop's. And in the De Franceschi archive at Zagreb, folder 6, there is…

…shutters, painted ceilings. «This is such an achingly beautiful building and it pains me to see it deteriorate by the day.» It has been empty for decades. Why it is on this page at all Because on 25 November 1819 Joannes Baptista Defranceschi of house 5 married Francisca Salomon, born 17 March 1797 — and this archive has never had anything on her but the name. It cannot prove she was of this house; Salamon is not a rare name in Istria. What it can do is stop treating her as a surname. She came…

…woman heading her own entry, and the only one of that name in the set. The children baptised at Bakar «Mariam Dorothæam Defranceschi», baptised 6 February 1773, and «Antoniam Defranceschi», baptised 8 January 1776 — both daughters of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi and Catharina. And Nodburga now has a husband This archive has carried «the marriage of Nodburga Defranceschi at Bakar on 27 February 1794» from its own scans for months, with no groom attached. The index gives him:…

…entries of November 1772 and the head of 1773. The archival label taped to it reads FADED DOCUMENT / IZBLIJEĐENI DOKUMENT. Read enlarged; uncertain letters are bracketed above. Bakar· reconstructed from the parish indexes Joannes Baptista Defranceschi styled «Dominus» — son of Dominus Francesco Married before 1772, to Catharina Akačić, by dispensation Children baptised Bakar, 1773 and 1776 Line Not attached to any of the five…

…BET 1782 AND 1790 deathYear Earliest known Defranceschi ancestor in this line. Very likely the same man as the Dominus Josephus Defranceschi whose wife,, @I2@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M Dominus ABT OCT 1752 birthYear 23 JAN 1813 deathYear Gologorica, Pazin, Istria Head of casa 36 / House 17 - the titled (Dominus) genteel Defranceschi…

…she precedes Catharina, or she follows her, or the reading that produced her needs re-examining. The remaining three children of the household are left under her until their own entries are read.,, @I4@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M birthYear deathYear Head of household casa 31, Gologorica, distinguished by the byname detti,, @I5@ Theresia…

…M birthYear deathYear Son of Joannes Baptista (casa 36); listed in the name index (family N.6) but,, @I12@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M 13 AUG 1787 birthYear deathYear Gologorica, Pazin, Istria Baptised 13 August 1787 at house 31 — «Joh: Bapt: Defranceschi in Loco». Son of Joannes Baptista…

…1826 status animarum, M01069328. This archive already holds the Gallignana status animarum for house 5 (DAPA ZM34K-217, M01072071, supplied 24 June 2021), so her own household is readable. (doc.),, @I25@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M 19 JUN 1842 birthYear deathYear Gologorica, Pazin, Istria Son of Antonius & Francisca (house 5). His baptism, found 5 October 2026 — «Joannes Baptista n.…

…1725 birthYear 30 AUG 1809 deathYear Gologorica, Pazin, Istria Wife of the elder/Dominus Josephus Defranceschi (@I1@); recorded as Helena,, @I51@ Joannes Baptista Defranceschi M the elder birthYear BEF 1767 deathYear Mid-1700s Gologorica Defranceschi. Recorded only indirectly: in Feb 1767 his,, @I52@…

…Defranceschi. Recorded only indirectly: in Feb 1767 his,, @I52@ Joanna Defranceschi F birthYear deathYear Widow of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi the elder (@I51@); godmother Feb 1767.,, @I53@ Joannes Petrus Defranceschi M birthYear deathYear Titled Dominus…

…the date does «Idem — 13 August — 31 — Joh: Bapt: Defranceschi ex Loco — Joh. Bapt. — Theresia nata Grach — Math. Ortiz ex Novacco, Maria vidua Math. Orlich, Pisinenses — Cives — Civ. — Maria Chrismanich.» A Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at Gologorica, house 31, on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach. The Status Animarum of Gallignana, house 5 — which this archive already holds, and which is the evidence for generation 2 of the direct line —…

…cives, then possidentes — words that assert standing. This is standing doing something: being the literate neighbour whose name on a page makes another man's word binding. Who he is, as an inference. The obvious candidate is Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, born 19 June 1842 — whose own baptism was recovered today from the strip at the foot of a page — the eldest son of Antonius and Francisca of house 5, twenty-eight years old and of exactly the age…

…branch (/gologorica-line/), reasoned out of the family's habit of reusing the font-name Leonardus. Here it is in the register's own index, written by the priest who kept the book, and used for exactly what a byname is for: telling two men called Joannes Baptista Defranceschi apart. ⭐ And it bridges the two numbering systems. The archive's casa 31 is the «detti Leonardi» household; the index calls that household N.º 12. Worklist 171 has been asking since this morning what the book's second series of house…

…mens ium 6· Vermes», 16 July 1791. This archive carried a Maria Antonia born 1791 off the family tree with no death; the register gives the death and confirms the birth — she was six months old. So the shape of it is this. Joannes Baptista Defranceschi buried a daughter of six months in July 1791, and his wife of twenty-six in May 1792. He did not remarry. He died a widower twenty-one years later, in January 1813, at sixty. The pedigree had the two dates at either end and nothing in…

…Antonius Defranceschi· Two Defranceschi women, born eight months apart, out of two adjacent houses in one parish, married into Gologorica three years apart. And house 5 at Gallignana is this archive's own direct line — Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, agricola, born 13 August 1787, married 1819 to Francisca Salomon. House 4 is next door. ⚠⚠ THE HALF OF THIS THAT IS NOT A FINDING, SAID FIRST AND PLAINLY. Francisca's origin was already in this archive, recorded on 30…

…But the generation above is reachable from the shelf without writing to anybody: the Gračišće baptism register 1746–1840 is on reel ZM34K-215, and a baptism names a father. ⚠⚠ HIS BAPTISM IS NOT IN IT. This archive has Joannes Baptista Defranceschi born «13 Augusti 1787», «of Gallignana house 5». The register for that August (M01070195, headed «Annus 1787») holds three entries between 30 July and 2 September:· 30 July· house 196·…

…not one Defranceschi father. Five occurrences in the whole 1667–1745 book before it. The eighteenth-century Defranceschi were Gologorica people with friends at Gračišće — the register says so in five separate hands. Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, born 13 August 1787 «of Gallignana house 5», is not in this book either — and the stretch that would show the family arriving is on the reel the film breaks before. HOW IT WAS READ. Fifty-eight prose openings…

…column. ⭐⭐⭐ AND THERE IS A THERESIA DEFRANCESCHI ALREADY IN THIS ARCHIVE, FROM THE OTHER PARISH. The Gologorica baptism register names her four times, always the same way: «Theresia Defranceschi nata Grach» — wife of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi of casa 31, the «detti Leonardi» house, entered «Cives». She is the mother of Franciscus Antonius (bapt. 13 April 1785) and of Joannes Baptista (bapt. 13 August 1787) — and that second son is this archive's candidate for the head of…

…child is baptised 8 February 1778, and the tree's death year is 1778. Still inf. No entry anywhere says «Josephus filius Joannis Baptistæ». Fiume, 9 December 1771 — a widower remarries, and the first wife is gone Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, widower, and Catharina de Benzoni, joined in matrimony. Volume 2 of the same film, image 293. A widower — so Magdalena had died by the end of 1771, twenty-three years after her son's baptism. He has indexed children by…

…father, my great-great-grandfather, also a Giambattista, son of the late Leonardo, had two sons: Giampietro and Giambattista. Three generations named. And «Giambattista del fu Leonardo» is exactly the phrase the Gologorica register uses in 1769 — «Joannes Baptista Defranceschi filius Leonardi» — the entry that gives the casa-31 branch its byname «detti Leonardi». Anche i miei derivano dalla Carnia, ma si stabilirono in Istria intorno al 1700. Mine too derive from Carnia, but they settled in Istria around…

…day itself. Buccari — Bakar, on the Kvarner gulf hungarian-littoral ours «Cath. ejus uxor nata Jablich ex Buccari» — Catharina, his wife, born Jablich, out of Buccari. She is the wife of Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, and the two of them stand godparents together at Gologorica on 3 October 1786, both entered as Cives Gollogoricenses. This archive had no Catharina as the wife of any Joannes Baptista — only two daughters of that name — and the surname…

…that as a fact about one man: Joannes Baptista de Franceschi, an incomer. Reading forward four more frames turned it into a fact about the parish. Between 1742 and 1745 the same clerk writes «ex Cargno» against seventeen different people: Joannes Baptista Defranceschi (1742, 1743, 1744), Antonij Fiorca ex Cargno standing godfather to a foundling on 9 April 1744, Antonius Valentinus Colovri ex Cargno standing godfather to Pietro Defranceschi's son on 14 February 1745 — and the child is named Valentinus after…

…the Gračišće house-5 head the boy baptised at Gologorica casa 31? open The Gallignana Status Animarum gives the head of house 5 as Joan. Bapt. Defranceschi, agricola, born 13 August 1787. The Gologorica baptism book, folio 6, has a Joannes Baptista Defranceschi baptised at house 31 on 13 August 1787, son of Joannes Baptista and Theresia née Grach — the casa-31 «detti Leonardi» branch. Same name, same day, two parishes eight kilometres apart. Against it: one record is a birth and the other a baptism; the Gologorica…

…Maria Spisich lead XQM3-B2ZM Joannes Surname not indexed M y b. 23 Sep 1869 Magdalena Defranceschi Antonius Nasković lead 6BKK-XCHK Joannes Baptista Defranceschi Defranceschi y b. 1869 Franciscus Defranceschi Euphemia Franca Dominica Francisca Clagnan Angelus Clagnan in 6YBL-9F8G Margarita Surname not indexed…

…house 5 The farmer of house five Here the line stops being testimony and becomes record. The Status Animarum of Gallignana — the parish's book of souls, bought from the Pazin archive in 2021 — rules a household across a page: Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, agricola, born 13 August 1787, married in 1819, dead on 1 September 1846. His wife Francisca Salomon, born 17 March 1797. Four sons, and the second of them is Antonius. Joan. Bapt. Defranceschi, agricola — n. 13 Aug. 1787, m. 1819, † 1 Sept.…

…Defranceschi once — who cannot be Josepha Catharina b. 1737, aged eight. A Defranceschi woman not yet in this archive. Marriages read: volume 2 images 286, 291, 292, 293 — March 1769 to December 1771. No Giuseppe. But 293R gives Joannes Baptista Defranceschi, widower, marrying Catharina de Benzoni on 9 December 1771. Next, and cheapest first: volume 2 images 294–304 (marriages 1772–1776) for Giuseppe's own wedding, which would name his father outright. Then volume 1 images 134–170 and volume…